Curse

Crimson Knight · Jul 24, 2005, 06:27 PM // 18:27

well i dont have a longer enchant upgrade...will have to work on that. But the main problem is that while i find myself waiting for bonetti's to recharge, healing hands ends, causing me to take damage again, and I can't cyclone to regen, b/c i don't have enough energy b/c bonetti's isn't up yet.

Daren · Jul 24, 2005, 08:52 PM // 20:52

I have no problems doing this - remember bonettis req. tactic.. I have 8-9 seconds on it, and thats enough.

Ive killed breeze over symbol of wrath = much faster / easier killing all + bosses (:

Extremely Godlike · Jul 24, 2005, 09:18 PM // 21:18

do you use a sword Daren?? If you do could you tell me the skills that you use in this besides Symbol of Wrath? I would appreciate it very much

Crimson Knight · Jul 24, 2005, 09:47 PM // 21:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daren

I have no problems doing this - remember bonettis req. tactic.. I have 8-9 seconds on it, and thats enough.

Ive killed breeze over symbol of wrath = much faster / easier killing all + bosses (:

Yes, but no matter what lvl tactics you have, it still needs 8 adr. to recharge, and thats the problem I'm having trouble with

Racthoh · Jul 24, 2005, 10:43 PM // 22:43

I still like what I use the best. Life never gets low unless I get arrogant. Gladiator's Defense, Watch Yourself, Healing Breeze, Mending, Balthazar's Spirit, Bonetti's, Dolyak Signet, Zealot's Fire. 9 Healing/Smiting, 3 + 1 Strength, 8 + 1 Sword, 10 + 4 Tactics. You always have a 75% chance to block, 10 pips of regen, and deal damage fast with Watch Yourself and Dolyak Signet being spammed when filled. Distracting Shot is nothing to worry about since your spells are too fast, and Bonetti's is always filled long before it needs to be used for the second time.

Edit: For some reason writing C o c k y (except without the spaces) puts that Go Red Engine thing in it's place? Uh, why?

Nasenbluten · Jul 25, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08

I can take pretty much the whole zone with my w/mo build

i didnt even do my 2nd 15 attrib quest yet and i can do it

Attribs
11 axe
9 str
8 heal
10 tactics

Skills
Gladiators Defense
cyclone axe
mending
healing breeze
Bonettis Defense
vigorous spirit
live vicariously
shield stance(i use this if im low on health and need a quick fix to losing bonnetis if i want to heal)

i got a 2:1 vamp haft +25 health on my axe,and a 16 armor -1 while stance shield

Basically Same deal staying alive when mobbed with cyclone axe and bonneti's
-I cast mend get the first 3 mino's to chase
-cast live vicariously(no energy regen now so i attack the mino's until bonneti's charges, get 20 start running again)
-aggro what i need,cast gladiators,then cast vigorus spirit
-cyclone (bonneti's recharged,but i dont use it until gladiator's falls which with 10 tactics is about 2 cyclone axe's)
-repeat the cyclone bonneti's until vig runs out then gladiators and vigorous

i really dont need the healing breeze/shield stance but it helps if you see your health drop below 50% before cyclone recharges (which basically means your dead pretty soon, the trick mainly is to spam the hell outta bonneti's i usually mash the button before i have adren. to use it i can take the whole zone with ease, although i do mess it up time to time because i smkoe too much and get MJ Retardation (wink,wink)

hope that helped someone

EDIT: Update, no need for the vamp axe vig spirit and live vicariously alone can keep you alive, plus an axe with some armor penetration and +14%while enchanted helps kill faster

Lynnrose · Jul 25, 2005, 01:28 PM // 13:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryun

Has anyone done a calculation of the XP gained per hour doing the min/griff run versus doing the mountain troll cave run outside the Forge? Putting aside the value of the better drops from the desert run, I'm curious to see which is more efficient. I'm willing to do both for an hour, chart the total XP gained, and post the results. Is anyone else willing to do the same (to increase the sample size)?

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Anyway, I'll try to gather the XP data and post it this weekend.

The results are . . . almost exactly the same. Without using any scrolls, I gained roughly 1.5 skill points per hour in both locations. Given that the drops are noticeably better with the desert run, that's where I go most of the time. When I get no purples or golds from a run, I switch to the trolls for a few times then back to the desert.

noblepaladin · Jul 25, 2005, 03:55 PM // 15:55

I found that this run is actually much easier than you would think. It is actually possible to do it just with Mending (used to horde monsters), Live Vicariously, Cyclone Axe, and Bonetti's Defense. First use Mending, then Live Vicariously after your energy fills up. After hording the monsters, you can Cyclone Axe and then Bonetti's immediately. Now this is the part where some people fail, they decide to cast something. Bonetti's is awesome for filling up your mana, but it also gives 75% chance to avoid attacks. Cyclone Axe along with live vicariously should be able to fill up about half your health if not more. You can just stand there with bonettis (assume you have a few points in tactics) until you can cyclone axe and bonettis again, with each cyclone axe putting you up to max health (make sure you click like crazy on bonetti's during your cyclone axe, because if you are 1 second too slow you will lose tremendous amounts of health during that second). If you get the timing right, those 4 skills are all what you need to be able to complete the run, meaning it is possible to do it without any elites. However, I did have superior absorption and the best armor available, but it should be possible if you don't have the absolute best stuff if you add in vigorous spirit (making cyclone axe heal you up to 100% every time). The key is to realize that you are only taking significant damage when bonettis is off and timing your casts so that bonettis will stay on for as long as possible (i.e. if you must cast a spell, cast it while bonettis is on and just before cyclone axe fills up, so once the spell is done, which turns off bonettis, you can axe and then turn it on within a second). So, non ascended people with the collectors armor can do this run! I figured this out while trying to use the same build against other monsters that could interrupt, and I often found my Vigorous spirit, healing breeze, Zealots fire, and sometimes even healing hands interrupted, but they cannot interrupt my cyclone axe because I do it while I have bonettis on, so I avoid their interrupts. I usually just survive off cyclone axe and bonettis until my other spells come back, but it's definitely possible to do it without the other skills, although it takes quite long.

Nawn Centz · Jul 27, 2005, 05:03 AM // 05:03

Umm, I'm sorry but I've done both 15 attribute quests and I can get no where near the 12 axe mastery, 12 strength, 9 healing, 8 smiting and 4 tactics. The closest I can get is 5 Healing, 6 smiting, 11 strength, 11 axe mastery and 4 tactics. Even with runes I wouldn't be able to get it all to what you said. ?? Help?

Ishamael Sedai · Jul 27, 2005, 06:59 AM // 06:59

I have to give kal credit for first showing me this, but a modified version is this.

8 healing, 11 smiting, 2 str., 12 axe, 10 tactics

skills

rez sig (just joking

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mending, bal spirit, vig spirit, bal aura, symbol of wrath, healing hands, cyclone axe, and bonetti's defense

I find this build more effective for taking down the monk boss and it kills them quickly. The drawback is that it requires gladiators armor, and without live vicariously you can die quicker if you are not careful.

Bml Angrymuffin · Jul 27, 2005, 09:50 AM // 09:50

i have a question about that ish, does ur warrior seem weaker that u lowered ur str? because wen i lowered my warriors str and farmed i got owned

capitalist · Jul 27, 2005, 01:55 PM // 13:55

If you do this with a sword (W/Mo)

Healing - 9
Sword - 9
Tactics - 9+1+3 = 13

Skills: Orison of Healing, Sever Artery, Healing Breeze, Bonetti's Defense, Gladiator's Defense, Zealots Fire, Mending, Balth Spirirt.

I took out Watch Yourself and added Sever Artery to help kill the bosses quicker.

Kratos The Impaler · Jul 27, 2005, 05:13 PM // 17:13

i have a perfect 20% axe grip of enchanting which is perfect for these runs if anyone wants it. also i have a great axe max dmg. (req. 9), +15% > 50, enchantments last 20% longer, 10/8 sunder. message me here or in game if you are interested.

3LvL20'sROast_Stealer · Jul 27, 2005, 06:49 PM // 18:49

If you do the same area and same monsters over and over again you get a warning that says "if you kill the same monsters repeatedly in the same area the drop rate will lower.Try killing monsters in different areas"...i have a secret spot that requires much less running that is similar to that but only more monsters and i can kill them much faster and lose much less hp

.. but im jelous of your video making skills

The undead Mesmer · Jul 27, 2005, 07:41 PM // 19:41

hmmm i think i can hear a nerf-bat swinging its wednesday ya knw

Kasperson · Jul 27, 2005, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Finally I did the same thing on myself, but without that Healing Hands. I got my first 50k in under 3 hours, so it is very easy way to get money, experience and a lot of rare items. It is easy if you can just figure out the right timing and have some luck with you.

Commodore_Mcawesome · Jul 27, 2005, 09:17 PM // 21:17

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...Hell/gw051.jpg

Me in that same spot

Didn't know it was a secret or anything, I've been going there for ages (I can hear the nerfbat coming). I've had some good times there, decent drops.

I decided to keep my build a secret, although I'm sure most of you can guess it right off the bat. And props for managing that to the OP, didn't think you could with a warrior.

healer of u · Jul 28, 2005, 12:54 AM // 00:54

sentinel, he uses bonetti defense which recharges energy (i dont remember the skill exactly)

Landorf Dranglor · Jul 28, 2005, 02:26 AM // 02:26

WOW!! im just wondering but...how much do u get frm each of these runs??

str1k3r · Jul 28, 2005, 03:49 PM // 15:49

a can u tell me wat axe he using i cant c the video cleanly... u guy use wat to watch i watch cant c the word cleanly??